i dont understand how its possible for someone to outright dislike open source software

@nano@social.nano.lgbt i have actually seen youtube videos titled "WHY is OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE so SHIT?" and it's just a guy going "it's one guy doing it in his bedroom which means it's automatically terrible and shit and capitalism is good actually"

“its always lower quality” blender, krita, kde plasma, proton, linux
“you cant make money off of it” good (you can, anyway)
“its not owned by a corporation(???)” good
im struggling to think of arguments against foss ngl

@tauon lots of things the world relies on are developed by one dude in his basement

@nano@social.nano.lgbt "you can't make money off it" gargron mastodon makes an insane amount of money just for making a single fedi server software

@nano@social.nano.lgbt literally! like http, that was just made by a guy because his workplace's documentation system was terrible, and now it's used for everything

@nano i think the only one that makes any sense is the first one, but yeah, there is a lot of good foss software . just. not everything some of it is legitimately worse than the non-free option

@tauon@possum.city @nano@social.nano.lgbt “one guy in his bedroom” haters when minecraft: (at least old minecraft)

@silly@transfem.social @nano@social.nano.lgbt i was literally thinking that

@nano Some people actually enjoy having no choice. Apple wouldn’t be successful if it weren’t the case.

@amy what even

@nano@social.nano.lgbt you did not just try to say krita is higher quality than photoshop 😭😭 i'm sorry but the first point is usually going to be valid. how good a software is is entirely dependent on how much money you throw at it and open source projects aren't gonna have much

@ce who the hell is comparing krita to photoshop?! krita is an art tool, photoshop is an image editor..

@nano @ce Interesting how we’re discussing effectively the same thing in a different thread

Krita actually does a lot of Photoshop’s tasks fairly well, but for the stuff it doesn’t, well, good luck, because the GNU Image Manipulation Program is hell

@nano@social.nano.lgbt what?? most digital artists use photoshop

@ce almost all of the digital artists that ive met in my entire life use medibang, clip studio paint, krita, illustrator, or procreate. almost all of photoshops tools are designed for editing photographs and making graphics, i can’t even imagine how you’d paint in it

@ce @nano >how good a software is is entirely dependent on how much money you throw at it

to a degree, but it's extremely diminishing returns, and at some point i'd argue it starts trending the other way

c.f.: discord, windows, adobe products. none of them are strictly objectively worse, but it'd be silly to argue that they're thousands if not tens of thousands of times better than the alternatives.

@nano@social.nano.lgbt i can't even imagine how you'd paint in illustrator. every single one of the digital artists i've met or seen use photoshop or csp... there's countless tutorials on drawing that use photoshop.. i used it for months when i was trying to learn

@ce ive only ever drawn in krita, medibang, flash, and procreate lmao (and mspaint i guess)

@nano @ce crazy how the drawing app called fuck became the industry standard

@nbsp @ce @nano i'm genuinely curious about why and how discord has like 600 full-time employees, especially for a relatively unchanging piece of software. like my sense of intuition for How Many People Would This Take just gives wild underestimates for tech companies probably mostly because i don't have a good grasp of what maintaining large pieces of software is like

@nano I kinda get why cuz often foss software esp like 10 or so years ago, foss software wasn’t really as user friendly and so the ui often feels a bit dated. However I do think hating on open source software cuz of that is so misconstrued since propertiary software often has big loads of cash to fund such products, whereas with foss, it’s often either 1-3 people that are maintaining it, out of their own funds too as well or donations.

but unlike propertiary software, you don’t have to worry as much about your favourite software/app dying due to not wanting to continue developing it anymore since another person can just fork it and therefore, the software lives on.

Plus, a lot of foss software being dated/old looking is not the case anymore due to ppl having more knowledge of it and therefore more developers and so it’s so much easier to use it now, plus it’s free too, so no need to worry about costs etc.

but yeah I think a lot of its corporate propaganda esp back in the 90s, when even Microsoft was saying that open source software was “communist” so it makes sense as to why so many are skeptical about it, despite it literally not making any ANY SENSE, mind you.

@ce@grimgreenfo.rest @nano@social.nano.lgbt krita is higher quality than photoshop because it doesn't crash every 6 picoseconds

@ce @nano imo "entirely dependent" feels a bit too definitive especially given that a decent chunk of the work done on all of those was unpaid

like this feels like a weird statement coming from someone who does (correct me if i'm wrong) volunteer work on a game that i assume hasn't received any outside funding

@max@wetdry.world @nano@social.nano.lgbt yes, volunteer ran projects can get very far without formal funding. but any time someone talks about an open source project being "better" than the alternative (blender, linux, etc) you can bet that the contributors are receiving money in donations to keep working on it

@ce @nano yeah, but it feels like you're implying that money is the only variable, which i feel is untrue

@nbsp was getting at this in another thread, but i think the main Point people get at whenever this discourse comes up is that big foss projects are very good relative to the amount of funding that they receive for development; competing pieces of software that spend tens or hundreds of times more on engineers are often still comparable to foss alternatives, and i think there's more to that than just diminishing returns

(sorry for the late edit)

@nano I have a cute girl in my grade that says she dislikes Signal partly for being open source because people can see the vulnerabilities, that's the only reasonable way I believe, though of course for every person that abuses a vulnerability discovered in open source software, there are 10000 who open an issue or pull request and fix it before someone may abuse it

@coolesding security through obscurity does not work. given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow

@nbsp @ce @nano Discord definitely is a good example of trending the other way. Because of the company throwing all this money at it and hiring lots of developers, theres a lot of things i've seen that felt like multiple people worked on it independently and without talking to each other, for example theres a bunch of shared elements like the avatar one that all have the same class names and layout, but someone else worked on it in the voice chat and in the chat, so its built completely different in both (in vc for example the avatar is actually an element with a background, while the others are the proper image element)

@max@wetdry.world @nano@social.nano.lgbt @nbsp@yearning.gay that's definitely true. but something that can rival paid programs with no downsides won't just come out of nowhere with no funding, or else the paid programs would have never existed

@nano@social.nano.lgbt i think the ethical source people usually have the best arguments against open source (usually revolving around bigotry and corporate capture)